Have you ever heard it said—or said it yourself—that if all the Bibles and Biblical manuscripts in the world were destroyed tomorrow, we could reconstruct all but 11 verses of the NT from the writings of the Ante-Nicene Church Fathers alone? Recently, while listening to an interview featuring NT textual critic, Daniel Wallace, I learned that this claim is demonstrably false.[1] Unfortunately this has been repeated in one form or another by many individuals, including prominent NT textual critics.
Apparently this misinformation began to circulate widely in 1841 with the publication of Robert Philip’s memoir of John Campbell titled The Life, Times, and Missionary Enterprises of the Rev. John Campbell. The Life contains a written anecdote of Campbell, who was rehearsing a story told to him by Reverend Dr. Walter Buchanan pertaining to the research David Dalrymple conducted into the church fathers’ citations of the NT. According to Campbell, Buchanan and Dalrymple were both in attendance at a literary party when someone raised the question: “Supposing all the New Testaments in the world had been destroyed at the end of the third century, could their contents have been recovered from the writings of the three first centuries?” No one had an answer. According to Campbell, two months later Dalrymple contacted Buchanan and reported to him that he had taken up the question raised at the party, researched the writings of the church fathers, and had an answer to the question. According to Campbell, Buchanan told him that Dalrymple told Buchanan he discovered that all but 7 or 11 verses (Dalrymple could not recall the exact number) of the NT were quoted in the early church fathers.
Fortunately for us we have Dalrymple’s notes. Unfortunately they do not corroborate Buchanan’s story. Based on several dates provided in Dalrymple’s notes, we know he was working on this project for no less than four years (1780-84)—not two months. And more importantly, Dalrymple did not discover that all but 7 or 11 verses of the NT are quoted in the Ante-Nicene fathers. Instead, he found that only 46% of the verses in the NT could be reconstructed from the writings of the church fathers (3620), meaning 54% (4336) of NT verses are missing (Wallace said that Dalrymple found all but 11 verses of the Gospel of John in the Ante-Nicene fathers, but Dalrymple’s notes do not bear this out).
Campbell related this story some 50 years after Buchanan shared it with him, which was itself “some time after” the event in question.[2] So either Buchanan misunderstood Dalrymple, or Campbell misunderstood Buchanan’s telling of the story, or Campbell “misremembered” what Buchanan had reported to him five decades earlier. Whoever deserves the blame for creating the myth may never be known, but now that we know it is a myth, let us not be blamed for perpetuating it. While a significant portion of the NT text was quoted by the early church fathers—and that is significant—we should present the facts as they are, and not as we once thought them to be.
[1]This was brought to light by Muslim apologists, going back as far as May 2007 as far as I can tell. See http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/citations.html, which serves as the basis for the majority of the information that follows.
[2]Campbell seems to have recorded his anecdotes in the six months prior to his death in 1840. He said Buchanan told him the story about 50 years earlier (~1792), and at that time “some time” had already passed since the actual event. The latest date contained in Dalrymple’s notes comes from 1784, so there may have been as many as eight years between the event in question and Buchanan’s retelling of it to Campbell.
January 17, 2012 at 4:46 am
It has been said that the essence of the New Testament is contained in the book of John. Someone said that if he could have only one book of the Bible on a deserted island, he would take the Book of John. If all but 11 verses of the 4th Gospel are contained in the Ante-Nicene writtings, maybe that is the source of the original misunderstanding.
On a similar note, the writings of Papias ( who was a friend of Polycarp, and Polycarp knew John) were contained in 5 volumes and they somehow disappeared (about 1100, I think). It is thought that Papias was widely read, but we have only fragments that come from those sources who quoted him.
January 17, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Actually, while Wallace said that Dalrymple found all but 11 verses of John, the website I referenced in my footnotes shows that 100s of verses from John’s Gospel are missing from the Ante-Nicene fathers.
The loss of Papias’ work is an absolute tragedy. Oh how I wish it would be discovered!
Jason
January 17, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Thanks for that important and useful information Jason, while I never used that point in my defense of the Bible, I have read it and heard it stated by ministers. In fact, the reason I never used it was because I notice that it never was accompanied by an original source reference and there are just to many verses that I just could not see church Fathers include in their writings.
There are many connecting passages that are not needed when quoting a verse to make a point. I also do not share the level of admiration and trust for the “church fathers” as a whole that some seem to though I acknowledge the importance and benefit of some of their work.
Your advice is sound and I hope that this information will reach those who adore the church fathers so that when the atheist and liberals get a hold of this, they won’t get much use out of hammering some believers with it.
January 17, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Danzil,
The value of the Church Fathers is not necessarily their theology, but the fact that they refer to books of the NT and quote from them. Since most of our manuscript evidence comes after the 4th century, it proves that certain NT books existed early in church history, and can confirm that the text has not undergone substantial changes between their day and our first extant manuscripts.
Jason
January 24, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Non-believer here.
I find this disclosure fascinating. Is this the Christian equivalent of Piltdown Man? How did this remain unchallenged for so long?
I first heard this about 5 years ago and I believe it was Gary Habermas on video. I have to admit I was immediately suspicious and it was on my list of 5 questions to ask Bart Ehrman should our paths cross.
Now in other weird questions, I would like to pose to Biblical scholars . . .
January 24, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I’m not sure why it remained unchallenged for so long, but I am glad it was challenged. Unfortunately that challenge had to come from Muslim apologists, and most Christian apologists are still not aware of the issue.
Well, if you would have asked Bart Ehrman he may have also told you it was true since it was also included in his book co-authored with Bruce Metzger (according to the Muslim website I referenced in my post — although they say that the book does not say the precise number of verses or delimit the time frame of the Church Fathers’ writings)!
Jason
January 24, 2012 at 12:18 pm
How unfortunate. The claim smelt wrong and I missed my chance to jump on it in 2007. I could have authored a book and been on the speaking circuit right now. Oh well, next time. I think I’ve seen it in one of the Strobel or Papa McDowell schlock books too, but I am less certain of that.
One of the big lessons I learned at my Christian college is primary sources, people, primary sources. Thank you Dr. Kolb.
January 24, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Thanks Jason for this post. It is interesting and humbling to read as I have used that statement myself, which I heard from Charlie Campbell when I first took up studying apologetics.
I need to check my site and make sure I don’t reference this argument there as I desire to be intellectually and factually honest.
I would say this is one of the flaws of living in such an information rich age, one simply has no time to go back and check all the facts ‘first-hand.’
January 31, 2012 at 4:37 pm
I just want to comment on the Islamic awareness site. What does everyone think about it? Apprantly Daniel Wallace has praised it but I’m not happy about this as it’s a anti-christian site and a top scholar like Wallace praising it can only mean their information is accurate.
January 31, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Oliver,
At first it seemed like you were saying you didn’t trust the information at that site because it came from enemies of the Christian faith, but then when you said if Wallace gave his thumbs up it must be legit. So I’m confused on what your view is. Do you question the legitimacy of their findings or not? Personally, it appears that their research is legit. They even have pictures of the guys notes, showing many verses that were blank, indicating that he found no reference to those verses in the Fathers.
Jason
January 31, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Thanks for your reply.
Well it’s hard to trust a site that writes 100s of articles trying to ‘debunk’ the Christian faith but since a top Christian scholar has given it thumbs then their likely to be doing good research. I have read a couple of articles from that website and it seems like they want to prove the Bible is unreliable which is expected from a Islamic site.
January 31, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Thanks for the clarification. I agree that we should be skeptical when dealing with those who have an axe to grind, but their research looks legit. Sometimes non-Christians are more apt to see our errors than we are, so we should welcome their criticisms…with an equally critical eye of course.
Jason
January 31, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Their research does look reliable yes but I have seen some Christian sites write rebuttals to them. But on the 11 verses, I think they are probably right. I was amazed myself when I heard that argument but 46% is still a good number of verses. About welcoming their criticisms, I agree but it’s not suprising since Christianity is probably the most attacked religion and has dealt with criticism ever since it was formed.
By the way, how can I contact you? I have a couple of questions.
January 31, 2012 at 5:39 pm
You can email me: jasondulle at yahoo.com
January 31, 2012 at 5:49 pm
I just sent you an email.
February 1, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Jason did you get my email?
February 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Yes I did. I just haven’t had a chance to read and respond to it yet.
February 1, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Okay. Take your time in answering it, I just wanted to make sure you received it.
Thanks
February 20, 2012 at 6:26 am
Reblogged this on With All I Am and commented:
Is it true that the entire New Testament minus 11 verses could be constructed from the writings of the early church fathers? Explaining the origin of this myth.
February 29, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Apparantly this has made its way around pretty fast!
http://tektonticker.blogspot.com/2012/02/one-good-myth-deserves-another.html?m=1
Holding’s points clarify a lot.
March 3, 2012 at 8:56 am
I’ve made this reply on Tekton:
Ah, the fine print.
I probably am the non-Christian you cite as citing Habermas and Strobel or McDowell.
Case B or like cases are clearly unimpressive as an apologetic’s defense. We can almost throw a stone from 1400 to the age of Luther. Regardless of whether we’re technically talking Case A or Case B, it leaves an impression to the layman that before the Bible entered wide distribution it could be duplicated from the writings of CONTEMPORANEOUS church fathers.
So I’m curious who and how far back you can push 5 randomly selected verses:
35th verse of Mark 10
25th verse of Acts 18
51st verse of John 8
5th verse of Revelations 20
3rd verse of Matthew 11
Live well,
B. Andrew
March 5, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Thanks for the link Derek. I largely agree with J.P. Holding and I’m in the process of writing an update for the article to correct the false impression.
Jason
April 4, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Jason, sorry to leave this request here, but I could find no simple “contact” page. I am preparing a powerpoint on the Evidence for the Resurrection, saw the “Empty Tomb” image on your website, and am interested in using it. Is it yours? Can i use it? Does it belong to someone else?
John T. Tolbert
Taiwan
April 4, 2012 at 10:40 pm
John,
No, it’s not mine. I got it from the web via a Google images search. I couldn’t tell you whose it is.
Jason
April 11, 2012 at 5:37 am
[...] we could reconstruct all but 11 verses of the NT just by reading the Church Fathers , but this has been disproven as an apologetic urban legend. It is more likely that the Gospel of John could be reconstructed in this [...]
April 28, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Jason, you still haven’t replied to my question
July 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Oliver,
Are you referring to a question you emailed me? Did I respond yet? Sorry, I get too many emails to keep track. If I haven’t, resend it to me. Thanks!
Jason
September 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Just found this on another website. Similar assertion but lacks supportings resources http://www.gotquestions.org/original-Bible.html